Brian Baker: Socialized medicine: You’re for it or against it

By Signal Contributor

Last update: Wednesday, June 21st, 2017

On June 15 The Signal published a column by Steve Lunetta entitled “In search of elusive compromise” in which he tries to rationalize his support for government-run health care by claiming that “compromises” could be made that would make it more palatable to conservatives.

Early in his column he rattles his electoral saber:

“Even if the Republican AHCA is signed into law, four years later, if the Democrats control Congress (and current trends say they will), the AHCA will be swept aside for yet another program.”

Back in October, “current trends” were solidly showing that the Pantsuit Woman was going to be president. Look how that turned out.

There’s an old joke that goes like this: “What’s a camel? It’s a horse built by a committee.” The point being that “compromise” isn’t always a solution to an issue.

In fact, it’s often vastly overrated, especially when you’re talking about core principles.

What if the Founding Fathers had tried to find a “compromise” with King George? Look how well Chamberlain’s “compromise” with Hitler turned out. There’s the Missouri Compromise of 1820, which ended with a little dispute called the Civil War.

The plain fact is that some differences are so fundamental that there’s no compromise possible.

Once again Lunetta’s trying to rationalize his support for socialized medicine. This time he’s taken a couple of the proposals that I and others like me have made – medical tort reform and the removal of state barriers to product sales – and proposed that there be some “compromise” to modify them to fit into the mold of socialized medicine, completely ignoring the fact that those proposals are made to provide a stark alternative to having the government involved in health care at all.

That wouldn’t be a compromise on the part of free-market advocates; agreeing to such a proposal would amount to waving the white flag of abject surrender. It would render those proposals moot and meaningless.

On top of all of that, we have the historical record which clearly shows – during the past half-century at least – any ground the left gains through “compromise” doesn’t end the debate on an issue.

It merely becomes the starting point for their next set of demands. It’s slow suicide by conservatives and Republicans.

The final truth is that what Lunetta’s trying to do is very akin to trying to be a little bit pregnant. In reality, you either are or you aren’t.

Steve supports government-run health care, which is socialized medicine, whether or not he wants to admit it. I, and people like me, don’t. It’s that simple and fundamental.

 

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Brian Baker: Socialized medicine: You’re for it or against it

On June 15 The Signal published a column by Steve Lunetta entitled “In search of elusive compromise” in which he tries to rationalize his support for government-run health care by claiming that “compromises” could be made that would make it more palatable to conservatives.

Early in his column he rattles his electoral saber:

“Even if the Republican AHCA is signed into law, four years later, if the Democrats control Congress (and current trends say they will), the AHCA will be swept aside for yet another program.”

Back in October, “current trends” were solidly showing that the Pantsuit Woman was going to be president. Look how that turned out.

There’s an old joke that goes like this: “What’s a camel? It’s a horse built by a committee.” The point being that “compromise” isn’t always a solution to an issue.

In fact, it’s often vastly overrated, especially when you’re talking about core principles.

What if the Founding Fathers had tried to find a “compromise” with King George? Look how well Chamberlain’s “compromise” with Hitler turned out. There’s the Missouri Compromise of 1820, which ended with a little dispute called the Civil War.

The plain fact is that some differences are so fundamental that there’s no compromise possible.

Once again Lunetta’s trying to rationalize his support for socialized medicine. This time he’s taken a couple of the proposals that I and others like me have made – medical tort reform and the removal of state barriers to product sales – and proposed that there be some “compromise” to modify them to fit into the mold of socialized medicine, completely ignoring the fact that those proposals are made to provide a stark alternative to having the government involved in health care at all.

That wouldn’t be a compromise on the part of free-market advocates; agreeing to such a proposal would amount to waving the white flag of abject surrender. It would render those proposals moot and meaningless.

On top of all of that, we have the historical record which clearly shows – during the past half-century at least – any ground the left gains through “compromise” doesn’t end the debate on an issue.

It merely becomes the starting point for their next set of demands. It’s slow suicide by conservatives and Republicans.

The final truth is that what Lunetta’s trying to do is very akin to trying to be a little bit pregnant. In reality, you either are or you aren’t.

Steve supports government-run health care, which is socialized medicine, whether or not he wants to admit it. I, and people like me, don’t. It’s that simple and fundamental.

 

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  • Ron Bischof

    It is fundamental, Brian. You cannot reconcile socialized medicine imposed by the Federal government with a Constitutional limited government of enumerated powers.

    • Brian Baker

      I couldn’t agree more, Ron. “Fundamental” is the precisely right descriptive.

  • lois eisenberg

    Off Topic:
    Trump:I didn’t make recording of Comey **
    Trump says he did not tape Comey ***
    President admits he has no tapes of Comey***
    Take your choice of the lie you like most .
    Trump a real upstanding person who will con you out of your BACK teeth **
    Liar,liar, pants on fire.
    The worst President EVER **
    The longer he stays in office the worst things will get.
    He has done enough damage IMPEACHMENT HIM OR LOCK HIM UP ****

    • Ron Bischof

      I have to say, your “OFF TOPIC” caveat is akin to a domestic companion staring at your neighbors in the eye and doing your business on their floors anyway, Ms. Eisenberg.

      • Brian Baker

        HAhahahahaha!

        Quite the metaphor there, Ron!

      • lois eisenberg

        BRILLIANT *****

        • Ron Bischof

          Thanks, I have my moments.

          Now about those floors…

  • lois eisenberg

    OFF TOPIC:
    Tuesday a small set back for the Democrats **
    Thursday a major set back for the Trump Lovers ***

  • lois eisenberg

    “They call it a health care bill, but how can it be a health care bill when it throws 23 million people off of insurance, cuts $834 billion from Medicaid, and defunds Planned Parenthood? God knows what the implication of this legislation will be on our children, the elderly, and those of us with chronic illnesses.”

  • lois eisenberg

    “Barry’s just spoke out and his message points out that Trumpcare “is not a health care bill. It’s a massive transfer of wealth from middle-class and poor families to the richest people in America.”
    GO GET’M BARRY****
    NICE TO HAVE YOU BACK IN TOWN ****
    Barry what kind of wire did you use to wiretap the liar-in-chief ??????
    Glad you showed your birth certificate to the villain birther *****
    How do you like how our Democracy is being trashed ???
    How do you like that tape con ???
    How do you like that the Russian’s didn’t interfere in the 2016 election??
    How do you like Flynn sitting in on classified briefings??
    How do you feel about the liar-in-chief’s foreign visit that
    went so well ??? HAHAHAHA
    How do you feel about the son-in-law ?? What a joke ******

  • lois eisenberg

    “Trump’s proposed 5-year welfare ban for immigrants is already law”
    The man is ignorant and dangerous beyond belief ***

  • Ron Bischof

    Concur. See the true believer above asserting her tribal political declarations are “questions”.

  • lois eisenberg

    ” How to sell the health bill? Lie about it.”
    That’s no problem for the Republicans *****

    • Ron Bischof

      Should this be the example of lying “leadership”, Ms. Eisenberg?

      Lie of the Year: ‘If you like your health care plan, you can keep it’

      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

      • lois eisenberg

        The liar- in-chief in his first forty days lied 40 times, and the beat goes on *

        • Ron Bischof

          Another of the non sequiturs we come to expect from you.

          • lois eisenberg

            You can always tell when the liar-in chief lies .
            When those lips are moving it is for sure that one lie if not more will
            be spewed *****

  • lois eisenberg

    “Donald Trump has now said more than 300 false things as president”
    And the beat goes on ***

  • lois eisenberg

    Another off Topic :
    “Poll shows U.S. trembling in World’s regard under Trump”
    “President Trump has alarmed citizens of the nation’s closest allies and others worldwide, diminishing the standing of the United States in their eyes, according to a wide-ranging international study released Monday.”

  • lois eisenberg

    CNN: “BREAKING: McConnell to delay the vote”

    “Republicans say the first Senate vote on Trump’s health care repeal has been DELAYED until after the July 4th recess.”

    “Here’s what makes this so important: The delay means this bill is on the brink of collapse. Trump and the Republicans are on their heels, and they know it.”

    • Ron Bischof

      I’m reminded of similar assertions about the House version.